Rocky Mountain on tires!

I posted the Brodie updates, and the WTB updates, and I mentioned I'd post the EWR updates, so I'd be remiss if I didn't post the Rocky Mountain updates.

So here's a Rocky Mountain update.

Deore DX hubs, Mavic 717 rims, Deore cranks, Deore XT U-brake, DiaCompe 986 front brake, Deore XT thumbshifters, Specialized Ground Control tires, Ritchey Logic levers, original to the bike Suntour post, RM stem and Tange Prestige bar, and a suitably patina'd SDG (read BEAT!) Needs cables and a chain, and an endless clamp front derailleur to fit the bulged seat tube and then I'm set!

Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Brodie has New Shoes

First things first. I want this Brodie to be a rider, which is one of the reasons I used cans to paint the thing instead of paying somebody to do it. Similarly, I don't want to waste a clean SDG on a bike that will be thrown in the mud, so off the hooks comes a dusty SDG with a little bit of the old 'loose Kevlar syndrome' for a quick reglue before it gets pressed into duty underneath my fat butt, AKA "The Lair of the Barking Spiders".


Glue spread and 15 minutes of drying time, I stretch the Kevlar back into shape and use little alligator clips to hold the cloth in position while the contact cement sets up. This Kevlar aint going anywhere now.



Dingy but serviceable. I could sell this sucker on eBay for 80 bucks, or I could put it under my butt, AKA "The Lair of the Barking Spiders".

And a shot of the build to date. Fresh Mavis 222's and Deore DX hubs, an M900 XTR Cassette, Race Face post and stem and a set of used blue Turbine cranks with a new ring, bash ring and hardware. should be a fine bike when I get it all cabled up and ready to go.

Nose of the saddle is a little low in this pic. Something to fix before I lump my butt (AKA, "The Lair of the Barking Spiders") on the thing and hit the trail.

Wheelfest 2010

Been a little while since the last update, but there's a good reason. My Lenovo netbook's screen hinges began to crack, so I had to send the little guy back to Lenovo for warranty repair. Props to Lenovo for sending me a box next day, covering shipping to and from, and finishing the repair in less than a week including shipping time.

Anyway...

Remember those 400 pieces of wire that cost me 300 bucks? Well I've been boasting to folks that I have all the parts for my unbuilt frames sitting around in bins, except the wheels, and while I did already have the parts, they needed to be laced up into proper wheels, so after the spokes came in I set to it. 7 wheels in 2 days. My fingers are sore!

First up, 217 Sunsets and XTR M910 hubs. Here I've assembled all the goodies onto the dining room table, in my own little warped celebration of Thanksgiving.

Blink and I'm done! The rear laced up and tensioned.

And then football started, so I migrated to the back porch so I could build my wheels and watch USF fall to Pitt. That is the lucky hat. It was not so lucky this day, although I blame myself though, as I wasn't sitting in front of the big TV rubbing the logo and repeating to myself, "Please, Please, Please."

At least the wheel worked out great.

All mounted up on the new home, the WTB. I had a set of M950 XTR hubs and Sunsets on there originally, but they are pretty advanced in age and mileage, plus the front is 1 cross lacing on that set, so I've retired those to light duty work and these 3 cross, M910/Sunsets will see trail work on the WTB.

Da front.

Phase two. This is a rear to match the already built front wheel that I had for the Rocky Mountain Avalanche It is a 130mm converted Deore DX HG hub, in 32 holes and laced 3 cross to a Mavic 717 in black. The Mavic 717 is a great rim for vintage bike builds like this because they are subtle and without the label, very hard to discern as a modern rim. The profile of a 717 is the same as a 217 though, and the Deore DX takes the same spoke length as the M910 XTR, so I can use spokes from the lot of 400 to lace this sucker up too. All the wheels I built this weekend have essentially the same measurements and take the same spokes. Shimano hubs and Mavic 217 or 222 rims, and the spoke lengths are 264 front and 262-260 ND-D rear. Clear as mud? Good.

Next up, on Sunday, Deore DX 135mm 8 speed converted hubs and blue Mavic 222 rims, for the Brodie. These 222's are a step down from the 217's, but they are still fine rims, and the slate blue color makes them perfect for the Brodie. 3 cross and 32 holes, like the others, and the wheels turned out great.

I also laced up a fresh set of Deore DX and Sunsets for the singlespeed white EWR, but I neglected to take pictures of those suckers. I'll snap some when they are on the bike. That EWR is going through some other major modifications too, so the next time I post that sucker is will be a departure from what I've shown before.

SO...M910/Sunsets (2 wheels), Deore DX/Sunsets (2 wheels), Deore DX/222 Blues (2 wheels), and a Deore DX/717. Seven wheels in 2 days. And I'm spent!

Fleabay Spoken Here!

That has to be the worst pun ever. Get it? "Spoken" Here?

They're SPOKES!

Specifically 200 264mm 2.0-1.8 double butted spokes and 100 262 and 100 260. That is enough to build 6 sets of 217 Sunset rims into wheels, which will still leave me with 5 spare Sunset rims, and will also prove to everyone reading this that I am, in fact, insane.

The best part of this post though, is the double picture gank. See the picture above is actually watermarked with "QBP", which means its from Quality Bicycle Products' site, and somehow it became part of the auctions for my spokes, and now...indignity of indignity, the poor pic gets crapped out one more time, here.

There is no shame here at Utahdog World Headquarters, Congress of the Americas. None whatsoever. Even as I silently move gobs of wealth from the coffers of the Utahdog corporate empire into my own private offshore accounts in preparation for bankruptcy and my request for a federal corporate bailout. Except that is, for the shame that comes with spending 300 bucks on what amounts to 400 individual lengths of wire.

But then that's to be expected.

WTB fork part 2 - Solved?

My MTBR conversation continues with the guy that says I need a 440mm fork, so in an effort to be a little more definitive, I'm breaking out the digital angle finder and taking some scientific accurate measurements here in the Utahdog World Headquarters, Congress of the Americas' research lab, (aka, the laundry room).

So, with the 410mm fork, bike facing to the right, seat tube angle is 73.2 and to the left, 73.1

410mm, headtube is 72 and 72.1, again facing east west respectively.

Using my certified accurate fork length adjustment gauge, (a copy of "Field Guide to American Houses") which measures at 30mm, I simulate the length of a 440mm fork, as prescribed by MTBR self proclaimed WTB specialists.

And the results...

70.1 headtube

71.3 seat tube.

The WTB catalog page posted below says the numbers we are looking for are 71-72 head tube and seat tube angles. So actually, my 410 is a wee short, but the 440 would be a wee long, by nearly the same degree error margin, a full degree steeper with the 410 and almost a full degree slacker with the 440.

So what does this all mean? Well, it means that my 410 will still stay, because 72-73 is a very standard frame angle measure, and 70-71 would be pretty slack. It also means that the 410 fork stays because nobody I'm aware of makes an off the rack 425mm fork, which would split the difference between my measurements and give the numbers seen in the catalog. 425mm forks exist, though, for example my AMP F1 measures 420, and my F3 measures 430, with no sag on either counts. It also means that cold weather has come to Florida, and I wimped out on riding this morning, so that I could instead eat eggs, grits and coffee with my family, and play with my tools in the warmth of my house. I am a wimp.

From the desk of...

My office playpen...of sorts. What unfinished work do you have sitting on YOUR desk?

eBay out door

I don't have unlimited storage space here at Utahdog World Headquarters, One Canine Center, Congress of the Americas, so something has to go out as other goodies come in.

Headed for my out door.

AMP Calipers in Red. The red is pretty swank-a-licious.

Of course, I have the three bolt rotors too.

And if you need wheels for that, I have the AMP wheels also. AMP front hub, Deore XT rear with AMP adaptor for the three bolt rotor. Mavic 221 Blue rims. Nice stuff.

AMP front.

And the rear.

And a 31.8 oversize FSA bar that I'm bundling with a Race Face Deus stem. This was from the orange E-Motion. Now getting dusty, so out the door it goes! Watch for it on the flea!

WTB fork solved

After the cryptic responses faded into the background, a helpful member over on MTBR posted up this page from the WTB catalog back in the day. With the P2 I'm using, I've got about 11 7/8" (11.875") bottom bracket height, and according to this sheet (for 1999 non Phoeni labeled frames, but with the same geometry I understand) My 18" frame should have 11.688 inches. My eyesight is bad enough to explain the 0.187" discrepancy, so...consider the "mystery" solved.

The 410 a-to-c P2 is spot on the a 1997 18" Phoenix. Done and done.

And a shot from the previous owner, The Phoenix in a previous life.

Uh...Really?

Fundamentalism runs rampant in everything...

Now available (for purchase, of course) on eBay... Funny, but I would've thought he'd have more important things to do.

More WTB...

An update of sorts.

I posted some pictures and the story (at least the chapter covering ownership by Utahdog World Headquarters, Congress of the Americas) of this WTB Phoenix, over on MTBR and I got a few little morsels of info, and some typical cryptic remarks.

Apparently this is the last Phoenix ever made, and I am the 4th owner. Both sort of sad observations in their own right. But then again, the future looks bright for the old girl, because I don't sell many frames so it will probably have a home for a good long time.

Another MTBR'er made the comment that the fork looked short, which I don't see as accurate, but I want to give this thing the fair shake it deserves so I thought I'd ask, before I shoot an email to Mr. Potts himself. The frame is suspension corrected, and I have a 410mm a-to-c fork on the thing. Anyone know off-hand what the fork length should be for a 1997 Phoenix? I can't imagine a 440 on the thing, as I think that would make it handle like a bus, but then again, I'm used to EWR geometry which others would consider twitchy. Previous owner ran a yellow Judy SL.

The 410 feels very natural, and I didn't need any time at all to really dial up some speed and put it through its paces in NC two weeks ago. I guess either way, the 410 stays, but it would be nice to know that I'm running the thing as designed. Does the 410 feel right to me even if its too short because I'm used to east coast geometry or does it feel right because its right? The bottom bracket does not seem low.

Anyone?